tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4672881018321440403.post1370932202435294953..comments2024-01-08T09:12:42.920-05:00Comments on SF and Nonsense: Trope-ing the light fantastic (AI)Edward M. Lernerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15620756142619513714noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4672881018321440403.post-2396847424999906182008-12-02T09:41:00.000-05:002008-12-02T09:41:00.000-05:00Agreed: The Turing test isn't *the* definitive tes...Agreed: The Turing test isn't *the* definitive test -- it's too anthropocentric. There's no reason to believe humans are the only possible model for intelligence. <BR/><BR/>(That said, I consider the Turing test to be *a* valid standard. Failing it can't disprove intelligence, but passing it shows human-style intelligence.)<BR/><BR/>Can one take a snapshot of an intelligent mind? You propose not. I'd like to hear more about how you reached that conclusion.Edward M. Lernerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15620756142619513714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4672881018321440403.post-83893718213537814662008-12-02T05:55:00.000-05:002008-12-02T05:55:00.000-05:00Hello,normally answering to a post is easier than ...Hello,<BR/><BR/>normally answering to a post is easier than beginning one, but let's try.<BR/><BR/>1)<BR/><BR/>In my opinion the Turing Test is NOT enaugh.<BR/><BR/>Even if the "discussion" with the "entity" on the other side is satisfactory (hey - that's a nice guy; and sooo friendly), you will never know, if it's a [grown-up] intelligent mind (human,alien,gene-enhanced chimpanzee) TALKING to you or a [very good] program MAKING YOU THINK it would talk to you.<BR/><BR/>If there ever will be such programs, they will be usefull, but they probably never will get civil rights. Of course we will develop a kind of relationship - kids will weep if one is switched off - but that is another story.<BR/><BR/>2)<BR/><BR/>If the brain is working more like an analog computer or even a quantum computer or a mixture of both, you cannot simulate it with a digital one (maybe with a quantum computer).<BR/><BR/>The point for understanding the brain is the following question: <BR/><BR/>Can you take a "snapshot"?<BR/><BR/>(What you do with it is not important here. Maybe you do it just in case something happens to you - grow a duplicate body, put back the snapshot and continue life from there on).<BR/><BR/>If you make a photo of a passing car, you don't know its speed or direction (motion blurr aside).<BR/>Same with the brain. If thoughts are the CHANGE in chemistry or electrical potentials then it would have to be some kind of "dynamic" snapshot.<BR/><BR/>A digital computer can be stopped. Now. Make a snapshot (in Windows its "Hibernate"), switch off, switch on, put back snapshot and continue. Just Bits and Bytes, no mind or soul.AReichlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16302616346561595916noreply@blogger.com